WHAT DO ATHEISTS THINK THE EXPERIENCE OF DEATH IS LIKE?

[Heike Hoffmann]

I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

Heike Hoffmann

[Uncle Vic]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Reading your posts.

--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011

[Tim McGaughy]

Post by Uncle Vic

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Reading your posts.

LOL.

[livvy]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

and from what do you get your entitlement? There is no "what most
likely occurs at the moment of death" in any terms. What's the
question? You think you are going to die in a different realm from
theists? You will die, it's pretty much a done deal. You'll die
when you do...why rules of engagement? About death? You know for
sure you have all this questioning time to waste? there's lots of
sites that may be able to answer your very specific, sad
questions.

[Larry]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Again you talk about 'BELIEF', what do I believe? I don't believe, I
know, the human body does not die when the heart ceases to beat. That's
religious romanticism at its worst. The same heart they used to let
bleed to death to "let out the evil spirits", sitting bleeding babies
they don't like or have delusions of evil in them, out into the Middle
East deserts, has a very romantic place in religious delusion...the
"Sacred Heart", for instance.

The heart is nothing but a PUMP, a rather crude one and not particularly
reliable, but a PUMP, nonetheless.

When the pump stops, for minutes to hours to days to weeks to months,
many of the body functions continue to operate. The most easy to detect
is hair growth. Hair grows for a LONG time after "death", the common
point of heart stoppage. As with hair, all the cells continue to run,
including brain cells for some time, not sure how long, as the cells
finally run out of food and oxygen at some point AFTER, sometimes long
after, the pump stops running.

Take a dead frog's leg, hang it up and tickle it with a battery. Those
cells are STILL MUCH ALIVE as the leg is still able to use its muscles.

Here, I just happen to have a fine example of my hypothesis available in
the long version of the PETA video of some Jews performing pagan ritual
sacrifices upon cows at a meat packing plant, slitting their throats
hanging upside down so the Jew rabbis can watch the blood run out of
them....then let let the cow go, still alive, obviously, as its blood
supply runs out of the slit in its throat the Jew made in sacrifice to
his pagan god. WARNING - this video is very gruesome, as you can
imagine. Do NOT let anyone under 21 view this video at all
costs.....unless, of course, they're Jews who need to see what goes on
in their name before they are allowed to eat it. Then, it should be
required watching for all.

-- The links are on the left. Click the long full one.
http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriprocessors/responseToOUStatement.asp
Watch the FULL video. I dare ya! Shechitah barbarians!

Larry

[BOfL]

-- The links are on the left.  Click the long full one.http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriprocessors/responseToOUStatement.asp
Watch the FULL video.  I dare ya!       Shechitah barbarians!
Larry

Are you the Larry that hangs out at KFC ?

BOfL

[Richo]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

For you to experience what death is like there would have to be a
"you" to experience it.
You cannot experience your own death - you can experience some of the
process of dying - up to some point before your actual death.
If you lose conciousness close to the point of death - then you will
experience whatever level of conciousness you have to experience
things. There will be some time T between your cessation of experience
and your death where T>=0 seconds.
If you died by having your head detonated by high explosives then
there would be very close to zero time between the cessation of
conciousness and death - it would be essentially simultaneous - or you
could be in a deep coma for years before your death in which case T
will be many 10s of millions of seconds. For most people there will be
minutes to hours between cessation of awareness and death.

To experience your own death would mean your conciouness lasting some
time after your actual death - which is impossible.

Mark.

[SortingItOut]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

There's dying, and then there's death. I have no idea what the
process of dying will be like, but I think that once death is
achieved, it will be like being under a general anesthetic, or also
what I understand being in a coma to be like: no sensations, thoughts,
or memories whatsoever.

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:13:02 -0700 (PDT), Heike Hoffmann

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Just wait, you will eventually find out for yourself.

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[Don Martin]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

How should I know? I haven't died yet.

Now _I_ would be most curious to know why you compulsively post these
questions, all of which appear to be based on assumptions about
atheist thought bearing little relationship to the way actual atheists
think. If you were to simply read this newsgroup attentively for a
week or so, you would probably discover that you had no need to ask
such questions to begin with.

[Larry]

Post by Don Martin
Now _I_ would be most curious to know why you compulsively post these
questions, all of which appear to be based on assumptions about
atheist thought bearing little relationship to the way actual atheists
think. If you were to simply read this newsgroup attentively for a
week or so, you would probably discover that you had no need to ask
such questions to begin with.

Two possible reasons. He's curious to see if his questions of his faith
he dares not let surface, even in his own mind, have the same answers we
do out here in the open.....or.....he's trying to justify the abject
terror that has been instilled into him about his death and that Heaven
or Hell bullshit the theists use to terrorize them into compliance for
power and profit. They think a LOT about death because their theists
use death as a weapon against them from the time they are little kids,
afraid to sleep in the dark after the shitty theists get done
terrorizing them on Sunday.

Either way, I think we owe it to him, in the interests of having him
possibly escape the chains that have him bound to that table, to give
him honest, patient and most of all courteous answers. If more atheists
took the time to help the possible escapees from religion more, into the
light so to speak, our ranks would swell quite fast, possibly enough to
prevent our own deaths at their hands.

Three of us took a man and his two sons (teens) to an abandoned "haunted
house" for the weekend. They were terrified of the goblins the house
was going to kill us with. Of course, as it's all psychological warfare
bullshit, nothing happened....well, except we had no flushing water for
the toilet and had to haul flushing water with a bucket.

The man and both his sons escaped Catholicism in the last year or so.
Every time I meet them, I ask how they are doing, how they feel. The
boys are 16 and 17, now and can sleep in total darkness without waking
up screaming, or even wetting the bed. There are no monsters under the
beds, but you have to watch those damned sneakers one of them fell head
over heels in the dark trying to get to the bathroom to pee....(c;]

[Larry]

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without
faith, no explanation is possible. Thomas Aquinas

[Desertphile]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:30:57 -0700 (PDT), "Larry"

Post by Larry
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.

Yep! Note nor is any explanation possible to educate people who
have embraced faith over reason.

Post by Larry
To one without faith, no explanation is possible. Thomas Aquinas

Yeah, he was a nut case. Faith does not explain anything. Note
that it was and is people who lack faith that have correctly
explained how the universe works.

[Desertphile]

I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I
will guide thee with mine eye. - Psalm 32:8

[A B]

Post by Desertphile
I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I
will guide thee with mine eye. - Psalm 32:8

Hey - if you've got something to say, get yourself a screenname of your own.
That's Desertphile, Yap and Larry you've impersonated so far. It's not
helpful.

[A B]

[spit] [tiff] [glory in] be [sniff] [rip into] [dispute] [gabble]

Post by Desertphile
I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I
will guide thee with mine eye. - Psalm 32:8

[disturb] [prosecute] [mewl] [moan over] [gritch] [drift] to say, get
yourself [blab] [whoop] [speak] your own. That's Desertphile, [hassle]
and Larry you've [gossip] [fulminate against] far. [stomp] not
helpful.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:16:51 -0600, Desertphile

Post by Desertphile
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:30:57 -0700 (PDT), "Larry"

Post by Larry
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.

Yep! Note nor is any explanation possible to educate people who
have embraced faith over reason.

Post by Larry
To one without faith, no explanation is possible. Thomas Aquinas

Yeah, he was a nut case. Faith does not explain anything. Note
that it was and is people who lack faith that have correctly
explained how the universe works.

Aquinas is supposed to have been one of the great Christian thinkers.
But compare him with ancient Greek philosophers and he's a nobody.

[Bareback Insane O'bungler]

Post by Desertphile
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:30:57 -0700 (PDT), "Larry"

Post by Larry
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary.

Yep! Note nor is any explanation possible to educate people who
have embraced faith over reason.

Post by Larry
To one without faith, no explanation is possible. Thomas Aquinas

Yeah, he was a nut case. Faith does not explain anything.

Sure it does, you imbecile.
It explains WHY you believe something.

Post by Desertphile
Note
that it was and is people who lack faith that have correctly
explained how the universe works.

Bhaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Who are they, shit-eater?
Your affirmative action messiah-Bareback Insane Obumbler?

That's a belief based in faith, Deshitpile.
You're no different than the people you hate.
You're just a lot more stupid.

[Larry]

Post by Bareback Insane O'bungler
Bhaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Who are they, shit-eater?
Your affirmative action messiah-Bareback Insane Obumbler?
That's a belief based in faith, Deshitpile.
You're no different than the people you hate.
You're just a lot more stupid.

Father Moran? Is that you?

[Bareback Insane O'bungler]

Post by Bareback Insane O'bungler
Bhaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Who are they, shit-eater?
Your affirmative action messiah-Bareback Insane Obumbler?
That's a belief based in faith, Deshitpile.
You're no different than the people you hate.
You're just a lot more stupid.

Father Moran?  Is that you?

You're not dead yet, fairry?
Did you notice how deshitpile ran away like a little bitch?
Lib-turds-so stupid and predictable.
----------------



nothing Bareback Insane Obumbler has done since
becoming president shows much imagination.
He is a complete knee-jerk liberal. Not a single
action he has taken makes you say,
"Wow, that was clever."

In Europe he is known as "Obama the Impotent."
The president of France wonders out loud if he is "weak."

Obama's performance will not get better,
because Obama lacks the experience
and the imagination to make it better.
His crash now seems inevitable.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:30:57 -0700 (PDT), "Larry"

Post by Larry
To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without
faith, no explanation is possible. Thomas Aquinas

A lie Christians repeat today.

All it would take is real world evidence.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Faith is a sounder guide than reason. Reason can only go so far, but
faith has no limits. Blaise Pascal

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:38:47 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by "Christopher A. Lee"

Post by Christopher A. Lee
Faith is a sounder guide than reason. Reason can only go so far, but
faith has no limits. Blaise Pascal

And knowledge is far better than either.

[MarkA]

I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely occurs
at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings would be
"like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything goes black
when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds, sights, smells,
sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately seize at the moment
of death and its like falling into a deep sleep without any dreams; or do
you believe the dying or dead human being will experience memories,
hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds, smells, sensations, etc. at the
moment of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

I would imagine that it feels *exactly* like it did before you were born.

[BOfL]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

In spite of the numbers who think otherwise, the investigation into
such matters has nothing whatever top do with theism OR atheism.

A lot more would take active interest if they understood that
'metaphysics' has bugger all to do with either.That having a healthy
curiosity doesnt mean you are , by default, retrogressing into
religiocity.

BOfL

[JohnN]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.

JohnN

[Syd M.]

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.

PDW

[Jason]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to make
your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong choice, you
will end up in hell. See John 3:16

[Jimbo]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell.

Their is no evidence for this assertion, no fact, extrapolation of
fact, or objective evidence for the existence of either heave, or
hell, or for your assertion that we go their after we die.

[Don Martin]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to make
your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong choice, you
will end up in hell.
See John 3:16

Never mind your propaganda book. Got any evidence for the real estate
you mention?

[Free Lunch]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to make
your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong choice, you
will end up in hell. See John 3:16

How silly you are.

There is no evidence that we will do anything but be dead. Your wishful
thinking about an afterlife is completely unsupported. Quoting a
religious book that is chock full of demonstrable errors is not going to
help your cause at all.

[Ben Kaufman]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to make
your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong choice, you
will end up in hell. See John 3:16

How silly you are.
There is no evidence that we will do anything but be dead. Your wishful
thinking about an afterlife is completely unsupported. Quoting a
religious book that is chock full of demonstrable errors is not going to
help your cause at all.

Now if it was just a matter of that life after death belief I would say what
ever gets them through the day, but, unfortunately, that road map to heaven
often involves screwing with everyone else's life travel plans too.

Ben

[Doc Smartass]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby
everything goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that
all sounds, sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect';
all immediately seize at the moment of death and its like falling
into a deep sleep without any dreams; or do you believe the dying
or dead human being will experience memories, hallucinations,
thoughts, sights, sounds, smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just
blacked out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke
up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to
make your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong
choice, you will end up in hell. See John 3:16

See you there, then.

[Ben Kaufman]

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Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

When you die, you will end up in heaven or hell. It's up to you to make
your choice while you are still alive. If you make the wrong choice, you
will end up in hell. See John 3:16

Of course when you die you will not realize that you never got to heaven, or
hell because you're dead. Bio 1:01

Ben

[JohnN]

Post by Syd M.

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

I'm not afraid of death just afraid of almost dying and being on life
support for years.

JohnN

[Larry]

Post by JohnN
I'm not afraid of death just afraid of almost dying and being on life
support for years.
JohnN

I was too until I took the time to go to my attorney and draw up the proper
"no resuscitate" "no life support" paperwork. This keeps the medical
bureaucrats from connecting me to any life support machines just to keep
the Medicaid/Medicare cash cow flowing while I lay their suffering-for-
Jebus.

Xtianity wants us all to live long as a vegetable so we can suffer like
Jebus did....It's their calling. Not me, assholes. I'm for voluntary
euthanasia at a simple request to sign the forms. NOONE in any pain has to
suffer at death. Get rid of the religious delusions, we can all choose
euthanasia to ease our way out. Dr Kevorkian is a hero, not a devil.

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Larry

Post by JohnN
I'm not afraid of death just afraid of almost dying and being on life
support for years.
JohnN

I was too until I took the time to go to my attorney and draw up the proper
"no resuscitate" "no life support" paperwork. This keeps the medical
bureaucrats from connecting me to any life support machines just to keep
the Medicaid/Medicare cash cow flowing while I lay their suffering-for-
Jebus.
Xtianity wants us all to live long as a vegetable so we can suffer like
Jebus did....It's their calling. Not me, assholes. I'm for voluntary
euthanasia at a simple request to sign the forms. NOONE in any pain has to
suffer at death. Get rid of the religious delusions, we can all choose
euthanasia to ease our way out. Dr Kevorkian is a hero, not a devil.

Speaking of suffering, did you catch the "furor" over the Empire State
Building's owner(s) refusal to do special lights for "Mother Teresa's: 100th
birthday?

Ben

[Apostate]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:33:05 -0400, Ben Kaufman

Post by Ben Kaufman

Post by Larry

Post by JohnN
I'm not afraid of death just afraid of almost dying and being on life
support for years.
JohnN

I was too until I took the time to go to my attorney and draw up the proper
"no resuscitate" "no life support" paperwork. This keeps the medical
bureaucrats from connecting me to any life support machines just to keep
the Medicaid/Medicare cash cow flowing while I lay their suffering-for-
Jebus.
Xtianity wants us all to live long as a vegetable so we can suffer like
Jebus did....It's their calling. Not me, assholes. I'm for voluntary
euthanasia at a simple request to sign the forms. NOONE in any pain has to
suffer at death. Get rid of the religious delusions, we can all choose
euthanasia to ease our way out. Dr Kevorkian is a hero, not a devil.

Speaking of suffering, did you catch the "furor" over the Empire State
Building's owner(s) refusal to do special lights for "Mother Teresa's: 100th
birthday?
Ben

Hey! It would've cost a lot of money to spell out "EVIL CRAZY CUNT" in lights.
--
Apostate alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Being Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
. -- Doc Smartass

[Bareback Insane O'bungler]

[yawn] Not me, assholes.  I'm for voluntary
euthanasia at a simple request to sign the forms.  

Me too...only for you, you bitter, old, shit-bag.
The world will be better of with one less
demonkrap retarded-shit-eating-pussytard,
whining about everything. Bye-bye.

[Syd M.]

Post by JohnN

Post by Syd M.

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

I've always thought that it's not death itself that is worrisome, but
the method that gets you there...
Painful death sucks.
PDW

I'm not afraid of death just afraid of almost dying and being on life
support for years.
JohnN

Me too. And have one of these fundy assholes trying to keep me
there...

PDW

[Jimbo]

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

Apparently you didn't get visited by the big, one-eyed brakka God of
wayward souls. :D

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

Are you sure you don't remember any clouds and a gate? ;-)

Ben

[Larry]

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:44:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnN

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby
everything goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all
sounds, sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all
immediately seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a
deep sleep without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead
human being will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts,
sights, sounds, smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

Are you sure you don't remember any clouds and a gate? ;-)
Ben

Because he is an atheist, his mind isn't frozen over with the religious
nonsense and hypnosis xtians have implanted in them since they are
little kids. So, even IF his mind started to hallucinate on its way out
before blacking out, his experience would not include what is already
imprinted on a xtian's permanent memory, that promise of paradise
through some big gate. Therefore, his mind wouldn't have that
hallucination as it died.

The whole stairs up to "heaven" through the "pearly gates" psychological
implant done on the young children during their brain's early
developmental stage is very hard to erase. Escaped xtians who have
briefly died then revived, STILL report living the xtian death fantasy
because the implant is still in their memory from childhood.

[Bareback Insane O'bungler]

Post by Larry

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:44:58 -0700 (PDT), JohnN

Post by JohnN

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby
everything goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all
sounds, sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all
immediately seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a
deep sleep without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead
human being will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts,
sights, sounds, smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.
Heike Hoffmann

Having died once myself, I found the experience a bore, I just blacked
out and died. within minutes EMS did their thing and I woke up.
JohnN

Are you sure you don't remember any clouds and a gate?  ;-)
Ben

Because he is an atheist, his mind isn't frozen over with the religious
nonsense and hypnosis [delusional drool]

Who do you blame your mental illness on, shit-eater?
Bush?

[chibiabos]

In article

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

The best evidence suggests that death is a mechanical process. Assuming
you are not vaporized instantaneously, systems break down in a
well-understood order. The heart stops. Blood no longer flows to the
brain. You stop breathing. The brain starves of oxygen. It begins to
die.

Of course, it's more complicated than that, but I am not a doctor. On
average, when the heart stops, you have about three minutes before the
brain dies. Maybe a bit longer for some people.

The brain does not WANT to die. In its struggle to remain alive and
active, it may go through all sorts of "phases," which you will feel.
Terror; anger; regret; bargaining; long lost memories, feelings,
smells, sensations; a general anesthesia; a feeling of euphoric peace;
standing before the God you once worshipped; total cellular knowledge.
It is probably a bit of all the above and most certainly a bit
different for everybody.

Then the last neuron winks out and you are dead. At that point you are
meat. Even the phrase "everything goes black" has no meaning to a piece
of meat.

The closest word in the English language is probably "oblivion." As
someone else pointed out in this thread, it will be a lot like before
you were born. There really is no word for that kind of non-existence.

-chib

[Larry]

Post by chibiabos
The brain does not WANT to die. In its struggle to remain alive and
active, it may go through all sorts of "phases," which you will feel.
Terror; anger; regret; bargaining; long lost memories, feelings,
smells, sensations; a general anesthesia; a feeling of euphoric peace;
standing before the God you once worshipped; total cellular knowledge.
It is probably a bit of all the above and most certainly a bit
different for everybody.

Can't I have ONE last good orgasm on the way out?? My brain LOVES orgasms.

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Jason
In article

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

The best evidence suggests that death is a mechanical process. Assuming
you are not vaporized instantaneously, systems break down in a
well-understood order. The heart stops. Blood no longer flows to the
brain. You stop breathing. The brain starves of oxygen. It begins to
die.
Of course, it's more complicated than that, but I am not a doctor. On
average, when the heart stops, you have about three minutes before the
brain dies. Maybe a bit longer for some people.
The brain does not WANT to die. In its struggle to remain alive and
active, it may go through all sorts of "phases," which you will feel.
Terror; anger; regret; bargaining; long lost memories, feelings,
smells, sensations; a general anesthesia; a feeling of euphoric peace;
standing before the God you once worshipped; total cellular knowledge.
It is probably a bit of all the above and most certainly a bit
different for everybody.
Then the last neuron winks out and you are dead. At that point you are
meat. Even the phrase "everything goes black" has no meaning to a piece
of meat.
The closest word in the English language is probably "oblivion." As
someone else pointed out in this thread, it will be a lot like before
you were born. There really is no word for that kind of non-existence.
-chib

Ever have anesthesia? From my experience, you have no notion that you ceased
being conscious until you wake up afterwards.

Ben

[Larry]

Post by Ben Kaufman
Ever have anesthesia? From my experience, you have no notion that
you ceased being conscious until you wake up afterwards.
Ben

I woke up from anesthesia staring a nurse in the face who was shaking me
awake. "Mr. Butler, Mr, BUTLER! You've been asleep here for 3 hours after
the operation was over, and that's fine, but we have other patients and
need this space in the recovery room, so you have to wake up, now.", she
explained to my groggy mind.

I never take chemicals, artificial or natural, so when I get any kind of
"drug" it knocks my system for a real loop!

Now awakened from my great deep sleep, with this plastic hose sticking out
of me because it was a kidney stone operation, the size of a garden
hose!....they wheeled me back to my room, where I put in another good 4
hours in lalaland before they woke me up to eat....(c;]

That was my ONLY time in a hospital in 64 years......
I haven't been back to a doctor since. I was around 28...29?

My CURE is to drink only home distilled water as much as is practical. Our
city water is heavily loaded with kidney stone producing calcium that coats
my distiller's boiler, instead of the inside of my kidneys, thank you.

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Larry

Post by Ben Kaufman
Ever have anesthesia? From my experience, you have no notion that
you ceased being conscious until you wake up afterwards.
Ben

I woke up from anesthesia staring a nurse in the face who was shaking me
awake. "Mr. Butler, Mr, BUTLER! You've been asleep here for 3 hours after
the operation was over, and that's fine, but we have other patients and
need this space in the recovery room, so you have to wake up, now.", she
explained to my groggy mind.
I never take chemicals, artificial or natural, so when I get any kind of
"drug" it knocks my system for a real loop!
Now awakened from my great deep sleep, with this plastic hose sticking out
of me because it was a kidney stone operation, the size of a garden
hose!....they wheeled me back to my room, where I put in another good 4
hours in lalaland before they woke me up to eat....(c;]
That was my ONLY time in a hospital in 64 years......
I haven't been back to a doctor since. I was around 28...29?
My CURE is to drink only home distilled water as much as is practical. Our
city water is heavily loaded with kidney stone producing calcium that coats
my distiller's boiler, instead of the inside of my kidneys, thank you.

I have hard water too. I use a water softener and reverse osmosis water
filter.

[Larry]

Post by Ben Kaufman
I have hard water too. I use a water softener and reverse osmosis

water

Post by Ben Kaufman
filter.

RO is too dangerous for me to drink. To get it to work right requires
lots of backflushing to clear the membrane. Failure to do lots of
maintenance makes everyone on the boat sick from both a perforated
membrane that's hard to detect and the fact that bacteria forced up
against the membrane for too long break apart, releasing toxins into the
feed water too small for the membrane to stop. These tiny toxins then
flow through the membrane into the drinking water with disasterous
results as you can see on many cruise ships. RO doesn't like us to talk
about these deficiencies. If those cruise ships had more expensive to
operate proper steam distillation plants, the steam would have easily
killed off all the biology and the distillation process would have made
the drinking water so pure it won't even conduct electricity. I can
distill sewage and make first class drinking water, if you can stand the
smell of boiling sewage...(c;]

Water softeners only inject chemicals into the water, making a more
complex chemical soup for your family to drink than you started out
with.

RO isn't the answer, it's part of the problem developed to reduce
municipal and commercial water treatment costs. Nothing on the planet
beats steam distillation for purity, except for the various xxx-enes
like benzene which also distill. Ridding distilled water of its benzene
related carbon-based fuels is very easy. You simply pass it through a
6" column of activated carbon from any fish tank store at Walmart and
the enes attach themselves permanently to the carbon ions in the lamp
black, making distilled water taste go from metallic (benzene tastes
like metal in water) to simply delicious.

As our water supplies all have 2-stroke outboard motors running in them
pouring fuel and oil into the drinking water, they all have benzene
products in the drinking water. I don't know how effective RO is on
such small molecules. RO has a limit to how small it can filter, even
fine RO under considerable pressures.

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Larry

Post by Ben Kaufman
I have hard water too. I use a water softener and reverse osmosis

water

Post by Ben Kaufman
filter.

RO is too dangerous for me to drink. To get it to work right requires
lots of backflushing to clear the membrane. Failure to do lots of
maintenance makes everyone on the boat sick from both a perforated
membrane that's hard to detect and the fact that bacteria forced up
against the membrane for too long break apart, releasing toxins into the
feed water too small for the membrane to stop. These tiny toxins then
flow through the membrane into the drinking water with disasterous
results as you can see on many cruise ships. RO doesn't like us to talk
about these deficiencies. If those cruise ships had more expensive to
operate proper steam distillation plants, the steam would have easily
killed off all the biology and the distillation process would have made
the drinking water so pure it won't even conduct electricity. I can
distill sewage and make first class drinking water, if you can stand the
smell of boiling sewage...(c;]
Water softeners only inject chemicals into the water, making a more
complex chemical soup for your family to drink than you started out
with.
RO isn't the answer, it's part of the problem developed to reduce
municipal and commercial water treatment costs. Nothing on the planet
beats steam distillation for purity, except for the various xxx-enes
like benzene which also distill. Ridding distilled water of its benzene
related carbon-based fuels is very easy. You simply pass it through a
6" column of activated carbon from any fish tank store at Walmart and
the enes attach themselves permanently to the carbon ions in the lamp
black, making distilled water taste go from metallic (benzene tastes
like metal in water) to simply delicious.
As our water supplies all have 2-stroke outboard motors running in them
pouring fuel and oil into the drinking water, they all have benzene
products in the drinking water. I don't know how effective RO is on
such small molecules. RO has a limit to how small it can filter, even
fine RO under considerable pressures.

My unit is designed for potable, chlorinated water. No manual back flushing
or other maintenance besides changing the charcoal filter every year and the
membrane filter every few years. I originally got one for my tropical fish
because something was killing them beyond PH, so I figured if it's good enough
for them then it's good enough for me too and I upgraded to a kitchen counter
top unit for convenience. It also removes the sodium that is introduced by the
water softener. It was a pain to by-pass the softener and fill up water jugs
every few days (but less pain than lugging the stuff from the supermarket).


Ben

[Larry]

Post by Ben Kaufman
My unit is designed for potable, chlorinated water. No manual back
flushing or other maintenance besides changing the charcoal filter
every year and the membrane filter every few years. I originally got
one for my tropical fish because something was killing them beyond PH,
so I figured if it's good enough for them then it's good enough for me
too and I upgraded to a kitchen counter top unit for convenience. It
also removes the sodium that is introduced by the water softener. It
was a pain to by-pass the softener and fill up water jugs every few
days (but less pain than lugging the stuff from the supermarket).

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-930-waterwise-8800-compact-
countertop-distiller-promo-pack.aspx?

This one is my favorite. I have 5 distillers, but this is easiest to
use, uses the least power per gallon of any of the others, and doesn't
take up the space of a Coca Cola bottling plant in the kitchen.

A friend got it for HIS fishtank but his life as a medical researcher is
too intense to screw around with fishtanks much, so he went to an
aquarium service that makes it perfect and gave me this distiller. It
has crapped out a couple of times in a few years, mostly from a
defective clixon thermostat that got corroded terminals and the current
through the corrosion made the clixon trip before the water got going.
The boiler sealer that comes with them is a linear door seal made into a
ring, which comes apart. I replaced it with a rubber fuel hose wrapped
around the squarish sealing groove that has a little nylon tube to
connect the ends together. The hose is, of course, full of air. When
the boiler heats, the air in the sealed up hose heats, expands as air
does hot and forces the hose so tight making the perfect seal you have
to wait for it to cool off a little before you can get the top off it.
Perfectly sealed, all the steam goes into the condenser and fills the
carafe to the top, about 1.2 US gallons. In the top of the carafe,
there is a place for their overpriced carbon filters, but I wrap some
fishtank activated carbon from WalMart into a coffee filter and it does
the same job for 2c. I change the carbon filter when my water starts to
conduct electricity. Properly filtered and carbon post filtered, it's
so pure you can't make it conduct as it's pure distilled water, the
perfect cleaning solution for the human body, it's main function, no
matter what the filter salesman told you.

No kidney stones in 13 years....it works!

Do you have a simple digital multimeter? Put it on its highest
resistance setting and see if you can measure any resistance of your RO
water. Pure water doesn't conduct.....even at high voltage.

http://www.tdsmeter.com/
HMD makes a nice TDS (total dissolved solids) meter for $50. It's good
enough to test home water and fishtanks.

http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/techinfo.asp?
htmlfile=Conductivity.htm&ID=78
Great information without the home water sales hype.

http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp?sku=1960100
I bought this nice one off ebay for $55. It's a lab instrument. A good
run in my distiller shows about 4-5 us. If you leave it in the plastic
containers over a week, that doubles as distilled water is a good
solvent, grabbing ions coming out of the plastic. ONE grain of salt in
a gallon jug makes it go crazy....(c;]

My other interest is the effects of concentrated CO2 on plants. Ever
eaten a tomatoe the size of a cantelope? 5000 ppm does that to them.
They LOVE CO2!

Sugar - inactive yeast - distilled water - sunlight in a 2L coke bottle
makes a great CO2 generator to play with.

Make one and get it bubbling, the yeast lasts a while and it's great
fun.
Take a spare fishtank with a fine stone to make tiny bubbles at low
pressure and bubble the CO2 through your RO water to enrichen it with
CO2. Add you favorite aquatic fish tank plant and watch it FILL THE
TANK! Great way to make green fishfood! Try putting some guppies in
the CO2 rich tank with the plants in it. Guppies go crazy breeding in
it! They'll fill the plant-stuffed tank with babies. The plants will
oxygenate the water, quite naturally....keep pouring the CO2 to it.

CO2 isn't poisoning the environment...it's gonna make us FAT!

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Larry

Post by Ben Kaufman
My unit is designed for potable, chlorinated water. No manual back
flushing or other maintenance besides changing the charcoal filter
every year and the membrane filter every few years. I originally got
one for my tropical fish because something was killing them beyond PH,
so I figured if it's good enough for them then it's good enough for me
too and I upgraded to a kitchen counter top unit for convenience. It
also removes the sodium that is introduced by the water softener. It
was a pain to by-pass the softener and fill up water jugs every few
days (but less pain than lugging the stuff from the supermarket).

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/p-930-waterwise-8800-compact-
countertop-distiller-promo-pack.aspx?
This one is my favorite. I have 5 distillers, but this is easiest to
use, uses the least power per gallon of any of the others, and doesn't
take up the space of a Coca Cola bottling plant in the kitchen.
A friend got it for HIS fishtank but his life as a medical researcher is
too intense to screw around with fishtanks much, so he went to an
aquarium service that makes it perfect and gave me this distiller. It
has crapped out a couple of times in a few years, mostly from a
defective clixon thermostat that got corroded terminals and the current
through the corrosion made the clixon trip before the water got going.
The boiler sealer that comes with them is a linear door seal made into a
ring, which comes apart. I replaced it with a rubber fuel hose wrapped
around the squarish sealing groove that has a little nylon tube to
connect the ends together. The hose is, of course, full of air. When
the boiler heats, the air in the sealed up hose heats, expands as air
does hot and forces the hose so tight making the perfect seal you have
to wait for it to cool off a little before you can get the top off it.
Perfectly sealed, all the steam goes into the condenser and fills the
carafe to the top, about 1.2 US gallons. In the top of the carafe,
there is a place for their overpriced carbon filters, but I wrap some
fishtank activated carbon from WalMart into a coffee filter and it does
the same job for 2c. I change the carbon filter when my water starts to
conduct electricity. Properly filtered and carbon post filtered, it's
so pure you can't make it conduct as it's pure distilled water, the
perfect cleaning solution for the human body, it's main function, no
matter what the filter salesman told you.
No kidney stones in 13 years....it works!
Do you have a simple digital multimeter? Put it on its highest
resistance setting and see if you can measure any resistance of your RO
water. Pure water doesn't conduct.....even at high voltage.
http://www.tdsmeter.com/
HMD makes a nice TDS (total dissolved solids) meter for $50. It's good
enough to test home water and fishtanks.
http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/techinfo.asp?
htmlfile=Conductivity.htm&ID=78
Great information without the home water sales hype.
http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_view.asp?sku=1960100
I bought this nice one off ebay for $55. It's a lab instrument. A good
run in my distiller shows about 4-5 us. If you leave it in the plastic
containers over a week, that doubles as distilled water is a good
solvent, grabbing ions coming out of the plastic. ONE grain of salt in
a gallon jug makes it go crazy....(c;]
My other interest is the effects of concentrated CO2 on plants. Ever
eaten a tomatoe the size of a cantelope? 5000 ppm does that to them.
They LOVE CO2!
Sugar - inactive yeast - distilled water - sunlight in a 2L coke bottle
makes a great CO2 generator to play with.
Make one and get it bubbling, the yeast lasts a while and it's great
fun.
Take a spare fishtank with a fine stone to make tiny bubbles at low
pressure and bubble the CO2 through your RO water to enrichen it with
CO2. Add you favorite aquatic fish tank plant and watch it FILL THE
TANK! Great way to make green fishfood! Try putting some guppies in
the CO2 rich tank with the plants in it. Guppies go crazy breeding in
it! They'll fill the plant-stuffed tank with babies. The plants will
oxygenate the water, quite naturally....keep pouring the CO2 to it.
CO2 isn't poisoning the environment...it's gonna make us FAT!

I use a Ph test to determine if my RO membrane is working properly. Without it
the ph is 8+, with it, it is 6.8.

I had to give up on the fish several years ago, just no time to do it. My wife
suggesting using a service but doing it was most of the fun.

Ben

[Larry]

Post by Ben Kaufman
I use a Ph test to determine if my RO membrane is working properly.
Without it the ph is 8+, with it, it is 6.8.

Wow! I didn't know RO was so contaminated! Hell SEAWATER is pH 8.1!

Wonder what is so alkali to raise the pH so high? Whatever it is, it's
certainly making it through the membrane and will conduct electric quite
well. My pH is 7.002, last time I ran that test. The water's so pure it's
totally neutral. My instruments are near good enought to measure it.

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Larry

Post by Ben Kaufman
I use a Ph test to determine if my RO membrane is working properly.
Without it the ph is 8+, with it, it is 6.8.

Wow! I didn't know RO was so contaminated! Hell SEAWATER is pH 8.1!
Wonder what is so alkali to raise the pH so high? Whatever it is, it's
certainly making it through the membrane and will conduct electric quite
well. My pH is 7.002, last time I ran that test. The water's so pure it's
totally neutral. My instruments are near good enought to measure it.

I think you misread, the R.O. filtered water has ph of 6.8. The water coming
out of the softener, which feeds the house plumbing, is 8+.

Ben

[Larry]

Post by Ben Kaufman

Post by Larry

Post by Ben Kaufman
I use a Ph test to determine if my RO membrane is working properly.
Without it the ph is 8+, with it, it is 6.8.

Wow! I didn't know RO was so contaminated! Hell SEAWATER is pH 8.1!
Wonder what is so alkali to raise the pH so high? Whatever it is,
it's certainly making it through the membrane and will conduct
electric quite well. My pH is 7.002, last time I ran that test. The
water's so pure it's totally neutral. My instruments are near good
enought to measure it.

I think you misread, the R.O. filtered water has ph of 6.8. The
water coming out of the softener, which feeds the house plumbing, is
8+.
Ben

Oh, sorry. 6.8 is lots better. Hell, out of the softener, that crap
may rust your body pipes!

Have you ever taken a very clean, sanitary (put the jar and lid in your
oven at 250F for 30 minutes), glass jar with a sealing lid, preferably
all glass if you can, and taken a sample of your RO water down to the
water lab your city's water treatment plant has? They're very friendly
and I've never been turned down by asking them nicely if they can put
this sample through the lab and let me have a report. Tell 'em you have
a home RO system on their water. Great guys with professional
information you can get free!....well, prepaid with your taxes.

[altheim]

Post by Jason
In article

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

The best evidence suggests that death is a mechanical process. Assuming
you are not vaporized instantaneously, systems break down in a
well-understood order. The heart stops. Blood no longer flows to the
brain. You stop breathing. The brain starves of oxygen. It begins to
die.
Of course, it's more complicated than that, but I am not a doctor. On
average, when the heart stops, you have about three minutes before the
brain dies. Maybe a bit longer for some people.
The brain does not WANT to die. In its struggle to remain alive and
active, it may go through all sorts of "phases," which you will feel.
Terror; anger; regret; bargaining; long lost memories, feelings,
smells, sensations; a general anesthesia; a feeling of euphoric peace;
standing before the God you once worshipped; total cellular knowledge.
It is probably a bit of all the above and most certainly a bit
different for everybody.
Then the last neuron winks out and you are dead. At that point you are
meat. Even the phrase "everything goes black" has no meaning to a piece
of meat.

Well, thanks a bunch. I'm 72.

[chibiabos]

Post by altheim

Post by Jason
In article

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?. Do you believe that all sounds,
sights, smells, sensations, thoughts,memories, ect'; all immediately
seize at the moment of death and its like falling into a deep sleep
without any dreams; or do you believe the dying or dead human being
will experience memories, hallucinations, thoughts, sights, sounds,
smells, sensations, etc. at the moment
of actual death?.

The best evidence suggests that death is a mechanical process. Assuming
you are not vaporized instantaneously, systems break down in a
well-understood order. The heart stops. Blood no longer flows to the
brain. You stop breathing. The brain starves of oxygen. It begins to
die.
Of course, it's more complicated than that, but I am not a doctor. On
average, when the heart stops, you have about three minutes before the
brain dies. Maybe a bit longer for some people.
The brain does not WANT to die. In its struggle to remain alive and
active, it may go through all sorts of "phases," which you will feel.
Terror; anger; regret; bargaining; long lost memories, feelings,
smells, sensations; a general anesthesia; a feeling of euphoric peace;
standing before the God you once worshipped; total cellular knowledge.
It is probably a bit of all the above and most certainly a bit
different for everybody.
Then the last neuron winks out and you are dead. At that point you are
meat. Even the phrase "everything goes black" has no meaning to a piece
of meat.

Well, thanks a bunch. I'm 72.

Then get ready for the best three minutes of your life. Think of it as
your last great adventure, when everything is either explained or not.

I'm betting on the latter, but I intend to relish the act of dying when
my time comes.

Why not? It's all I'll have left.

-chib

[Tim McGaughy]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death in
terms of whether the experience of that moment for a human beings
would be "like switching off a television or radio" whereby everything
goes black when the person dies?

Your brain starts malfunctioning. Then it stops working altogether.

[Doc Smartass]

Subject: WHAT DO ATHEISTS THINK THE EXPERIENCE OF DEATH IS LIKE?

Like, permanent.

[Apostate]

Post by Doc Smartass

Subject: WHAT DO ATHEISTS THINK THE EXPERIENCE OF DEATH IS LIKE?

Like, permanent.

Uh, we're back to the dying / death thingy.

I'd say that neither "experience" is permanent, and in fact, that the "experience" of
death is much more like the experience of being the Grape Emperor of Jupiter than
it is like permanent. To be a tad clearer: non-existent.
--
Apostate alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Being Paid,
Department of Redundancy Department

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell

"Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
. -- Doc Smartass

[Budikka666]

Post by Heike Hoffmann
I would be most curious to know your thoughts on what most likely
occurs at the moment of death

You die. End of story.

Budikka

[Budikka666]

I thought of you, and the years and all the sadness fell away from me.