Discussion:
the truth about deism
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"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-12 02:33:28 UTC
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The truth about deism is that deism was made up entirely by man.
Yes. All religions are.
I disagree. Not necessarily for like the laws of Nature (Pantheist there
are Pantheist Deists) (the laws of "God" [the Big Kahuna, The Boss, etc])
are hard wired into into the fabric of Time and Space, Blood and Soul as
much as anything if not more so.
It came into existance when scientist couldn't dispprove that there was a
God that created the universe.
No Scientists can not disprove "God that created the universe" nor that
"God" wasn't "the universe", nor can Theists disprove that the "Universe
created God"
NO, that would be an agnostic, no proof one way or the other. Deists
believe in God.
You say "Deists believe in God." you don't say Deists prove beyond a shadow
of doubt that there is "a god" , and frankly the terminology is most often
archaic and primitive.
Yet at the same time they couldn't see him in their everyday life, thus
they thought
that he just left
Wrong I see God in the fact I am still alive and sane in what rationally may
be considered a miracle though I do not in any shape or form in the
Supernatural magic etc.
Deists don't believe god runs around fathering children like Zeus. Or
whispering secrets into the ear of a chosen few. Some Deists hope God is
still hanging around and will throw a lightening bolt at people they don't
approve of, but they don't ask. God doesn't like suck-ups.
I dont know to prove your point these were poor examples you gave.
I find "god" speaks thru "the nature of all that which is god" to whisper in
my ear alone perhaps though not as an old man with long white beard in some
mysterious fashion.

As a Deist I find living in the correct path produces good results, and that
traveling on the wrong path cause those who transverse it completely to fall
off its edges resulting in harm injory and death so in that sense you are
wrong "god"'s rules do produce results weither that means living in
moderation or excess. But you are right I dont ask "god" to throw lightning
bolts because it doesn't work that way for there are many evil that should
of been destroyed long ago and weren't but should of been, that it would of
been nice if it had been, or could be, and we can always in futility hope.

There are those issues of commonality and the personal it is the nature of
existence.

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Ron Peterson
2005-05-13 04:33:33 UTC
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The truth about deism is that deism was made up entirely by man.
Yes. All religions are.
That seems like a reasonable hypothesis. But, wasn't deism invented to
avoid harm by theists who insist on a belief in a god?
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
I disagree. Not necessarily for like the laws of Nature (Pantheist there
are Pantheist Deists) (the laws of "God" [the Big Kahuna, The Boss, etc])
are hard wired into into the fabric of Time and Space, Blood and Soul as
much as anything if not more so.
What religion isn't made up by men?
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
No Scientists can not disprove "God that created the universe" nor that
"God" wasn't "the universe", nor can Theists disprove that the
"Universe
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
created God"
The principle of parsimony requires that the universe be different if
it is created by a god than a universe that wasn't. So, how would
things be different if there isn't a god?

Theists can go to their dogma to prove just about anything..
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
As a Deist I find living in the correct path produces good results, and that
traveling on the wrong path cause those who transverse it completely to fall
off its edges resulting in harm injory and death so in that sense you are
wrong "god"'s rules do produce results weither that means living in
moderation or excess. But you are right I dont ask "god" to throw lightning
bolts because it doesn't work that way for there are many evil that should
of been destroyed long ago and weren't but should of been, that it would of
been nice if it had been, or could be, and we can always in futility hope.
How do you know what is the correct path?
--
Ron
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-18 08:20:21 UTC
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Due to the complexity of the form of discourse within which we are I will not address repetitively for long responsia as USENET ettiquette and editing forms are not appropiate for on going debate broken down into line by line cause and effect results produced as you indicate below.

Hopeful my response/s will satisfy your needs and others' though the form and this forum is not appropiate nor conducive for this manner of presentation is lacking for your questions which for the most part I'v already answered.

Several of your questions are dependent of your definition of the terminology you use as you define nothing your line of questioning is most unfair as I am inclined to in both inclusive and definitive of my thoughts, existence, being, in a manner relativity that Einstein's E=MC2 is very much central.
Post by Ron Peterson
What religion isn't made up by men?
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Post by Ron Peterson
What religion isn't made up by men?
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Post by Ron Peterson
The principle of parsimony requires that the universe be different if
it is created by a god than a universe that wasn't. So, how would
things be different if there isn't a god?
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Post by Ron Peterson
How do you know what is the correct path?
So allow me ask you:

"What is a true definition of the word "religion" because I find atheists, humanists, ethical culturists, unitarians, skeptics religious in a manner that is seemingly hard wired into their natures of existence, and that religion extends to nature as nature is consistently what it is and religiously exists?"

If one or something is religious it means they or whatever is refered to is consistent, exemplified by:
Nature was a religious as a religious experience, or the that people religiously were hopeful and optomistic in chanting prayers so:

"Is the issue religion or one in actuality of belief, material existence, language, truth, and logic, and if that is the case what would you care to argue about because though you ask questions rhetoricly as you specificly are seen as defining religion as man made?"

If that is what you wish fine but then :

"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?" and
"What is the difference between god and the big bang?"

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Post by Ron Peterson
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The truth about deism is that deism was made up entirely by man.
Yes. All religions are.
That seems like a reasonable hypothesis. But, wasn't deism invented to
avoid harm by theists who insist on a belief in a god?
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
I disagree. Not necessarily for like the laws of Nature (Pantheist
there
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
are Pantheist Deists) (the laws of "God" [the Big Kahuna, The Boss,
etc])
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
are hard wired into into the fabric of Time and Space, Blood and Soul
as
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
much as anything if not more so.
What religion isn't made up by men?
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
No Scientists can not disprove "God that created the universe" nor
that
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
"God" wasn't "the universe", nor can Theists disprove that the
"Universe
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
created God"
The principle of parsimony requires that the universe be different if
it is created by a god than a universe that wasn't. So, how would
things be different if there isn't a god?
Theists can go to their dogma to prove just about anything..
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
As a Deist I find living in the correct path produces good results,
and that
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
traveling on the wrong path cause those who transverse it completely
to fall
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
off its edges resulting in harm injory and death so in that sense you
are
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
wrong "god"'s rules do produce results weither that means living in
moderation or excess. But you are right I dont ask "god" to throw
lightning
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
bolts because it doesn't work that way for there are many evil that
should
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
of been destroyed long ago and weren't but should of been, that it
would of
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
been nice if it had been, or could be, and we can always in futility
hope.
How do you know what is the correct path?
Ron
David V.
2005-05-18 15:55:44 UTC
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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
Mani Deli
2005-05-18 19:32:09 UTC
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Post by David V.
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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or requires a
pope.
David V.
2005-05-19 02:32:24 UTC
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Post by Mani Deli
Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or
requires a pope.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
Mani Deli
2005-05-19 04:51:52 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by Mani Deli
Post by David V.
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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or
requires a pope.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country.
Actually god is bored with the whole planet, that's why he's never
around. There are about 7 billion stars in this gallexy alone. Think
how many planets that leaves. Then think of how many even cuter
virgins there are on their.
David V.
2005-05-19 06:21:48 UTC
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Post by Mani Deli
Actually god is bored with the whole planet, that's why he's
never around. There are about 7 billion stars in this gallexy
alone. Think how many planets that leaves. Then think of how
many even cuter virgins there are on their.
But only a few hundred million of those stars would have a planet
that could support life..... add that to a hundred billion
galaxies and you got a universe full of life. I wonder what she
would do with all those virgins?
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 07:05:07 UTC
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YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE FIRST YOU
ARGUE AGAIN THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT WHO THE FUCK WHAT PUT UP
WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU?

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Post by David V.
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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or
requires a pope.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country.
Actually god is bored with the whole planet, that's why he's never
around. There are about 7 billion stars in this gallexy alone. Think
how many planets that leaves. Then think of how many even cuter
virgins there are on their.
David V.
2005-05-19 16:09:53 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE
FIRST YOU ARGUE AGAIN THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT
WHO THE FUCK WHAT PUT UP WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU?
It seems we have another net kook on our hands.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 23:49:11 UTC
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YES YOU!!

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Post by David V.
It seems we have another net kook on our hands.
Dave
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 21:55:09 UTC
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YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE FIRST YOU
ARGUE AGAIN THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT WHO THE FUCK WHAT PUT UP
WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU?

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Post by David V.
Post by Mani Deli
Post by David V.
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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or
requires a pope.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country.
Actually god is bored with the whole planet, that's why he's never
around. There are about 7 billion stars in this gallexy alone. Think
how many planets that leaves. Then think of how many even cuter
virgins there are on their.
David V.
2005-05-20 01:48:33 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE
FIRST YOU ARGUE AGAIN THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT
WHO THE FUCK WHAT PUT UP WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU?
This is what happens when this guy is disagreed with.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-20 06:03:52 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE
FIRST YOU ARGUE AGAINST THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT
WHO WOULD PUT UP WITH THE LIKES OF YOU?
This is what happens when this guy is disagreed with.
--
Dave
BEING YOU ARE THE TRASH YOU ARE YOU WROTE IN REPSONSE TO A SERIOUS QUESTIONS
YOUR REMARKS ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC SEX LIFE AND AGAIN MY REMARKS ARE TRUE AND
CONSISTENT WHILE YOU DEFICATE OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH. YOU GET
WHATEVER YOU DESERVE.

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Post by David V.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country
Dave
FIRST YOU CLAIM IN COMPLAINT ABOUT THE POPE's THE RELIGIOUS VIEWS about
people's sex lives AND HOW SUPPOSEDLY THEY INTERFERE
***
Post by David V.
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Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or requires a pope.
BUT YOU ATTEMPT TO PRESCRIBE AND DICTATE MERE GRAMMAR PUNCTUATION AND THE
LIKE IN WHAT YOU CANT DISTINGUISH ONE MOMENT TO THE NEXT.
Post by David V.
Did you know that posting in all caps is considered rude? No one will take
you seriously if you post > in all caps. Dave
WHO SAYS IT IS RUDE AND WHO THE HELL CARES? I CERTAINLY DON'T AS IT SUITS ME
AND MAKES SEEING YOU TRASH EASIER EXCEPT WHEN I GET THE POSTS BACK FORM YOU
THEY ARE BARELY READABLE AFTER YOU BUTCHER THEM.

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David V.
2005-05-20 16:54:10 UTC
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YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE
FIRST YOU ARGUE AGAINST THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT
WHO WOULD PUT UP WITH THE LIKES OF YOU?
This is what happens when this guy is disagreed with.
--
Dave
BEING YOU ARE THE TRASH YOU ARE.....
Do you even read what you are writing? It makes no sense.
--
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ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 21:59:43 UTC
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YOU ARE BORING JERKS WHO CANT GET LAID TO SAVE YOUR LIFE CAUSE FIRST YOU
ARGUE AGAIN THE CONCEPT AND THEN STATE IT IS A FACT WHO THE FUCK WHAT PUT UP
WITH ASSHOLES LIKE YOU?

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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or
requires a pope.
Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick. There just aren't any decent Atheist women around here.
I'm out in "gods country." That's all you can get on the radio;
god or country.
Actually god is bored with the whole planet, that's why he's never
around. There are about 7 billion stars in this gallexy alone. Think
how many planets that leaves. Then think of how many even cuter
virgins there are on their.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 07:05:07 UTC
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ONE DOESNT NEED A SUPERNATURAL GOD TO SEE AND KNOW YOU ARE LAME, HARDUP,
IMMATURE, NEED A LIFE, AND HAVE NO REAL IDEA AS A JERK.

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Sadly, any god interested in my sex life would get bored real
quick.
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David V.
2005-05-19 16:08:56 UTC
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ONE DOESNT NEED A SUPERNATURAL GOD TO SEE....
You are so right. One does not need a supernatural god and those
that do are blinded by that god. I find it funny that you have to
personally attack those that do not believe in your gods instead
of actually posting some sort of an almost intelligent reply. But
then exactly what you are doing is exactly what is expected of
rude, ignorant, arrogant, christians like you.
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ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
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"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 23:49:11 UTC
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TO BEAVIS BUTTHEAD DAVE:

WHAT YOU DO IS HARASSING TANTAMOUNT TO HATE CRIME PUNISHABLE UNDER US FEDERAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW

WHY YOU CAN'T EVER PROPERLY QUOTE ANYONE (INCLUDING ME YOU ARE SEEN BY OTHER ATHEISTS AS A FEEBLE IDIOT PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT BUT INSTEAD ARE PREMEDIATED).

NOR CAN YOU PUT WHAT ANYONE (AND I) SAYS IN A COMPLETE AND PROPER CONTEXT, AND SOCIOPATHICLY ARE REQUIRED TO SPEW PATHOLOGICALLYS LIE ON MOST ISSUES (if not all issues)?
Post by David V.
ONE DOESNT NEED A SUPERNATURAL GOD TO SEE....
You are so right. One does not need a supernatural god and those
that do are blinded by that god.
I NEVER CLAIMED BELIEF OR CREDIBILITY IN ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL ITS FUNNY THAT YOU COULDN'T GET THAT RIGHT
Post by David V.
I find it funny
YOU'D FIND PEOPLE DYING AND GETTING MAIMED FUNNY
Post by David V.
that you have to personally attack those that do not believe in your gods
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Post by David V.
*TEMPLE OF REASON*
Can't be much reasoning going on if you still believe in gods and
their ilk.
I find it funny
of actually posting some sort of an almost intelligent reply
WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THE BASICS RIGHT BY YOUR SAYING THAT
Post by David V.
then exactly what you are doing is exactly what is expected of
rude, ignorant, arrogant, christians like you
Dave
TO WHICH AT THIS POINT I FEEL MYSELF ENTITLE THE LIBERTY OF TELLING YOU
YOU DEAR STUPID ASSHOLE I AM NOT CHRISTIAN HELLO YOU STUPID FUCK AS THE SIGN SAYS "TEMPLE OF REASON (DEIST)" (but you never learned how to read [WE CAN ALL TELL THAT])

BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEISTS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES BLINDED BY THEIR DOGMA AND RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES ATHEISTS, HUMANISTS AND OTHERS THE LIKES OF WHICH ARE YOU.

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David V.
2005-05-20 01:50:54 UTC
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*TO BEAVIS BUTTHEAD DAVE:*
**
*WHAT YOU DO IS HARASSING TANTAMOUNT TO HATE CRIME PUNISHABLE UNDER US
FEDERAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW*
**
*WHY YOU CAN'T EVER PROPERLY QUOTE ANYONE (INCLUDING ME YOU ARE SEEN BY
OTHER ATHEISTS AS A FEEBLE IDIOT PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT BUT INSTEAD ARE
PREMEDIATED).*
**
*NOR CAN YOU PUT WHAT ANYONE (AND I) SAYS IN A COMPLETE AND
PROPER CONTEXT, AND SOCIOPATHICLY ARE REQUIRED TO SPEW PATHOLOGICALLYS
LIE ON MOST ISSUES (if not all issues)?*
.
Now, is there any doubt that this guy is a kook?
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 07:05:38 UTC
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AND WHEN DID YOU HEAR GOD ACCUSE YOU OF THOSE PERVERSIONS YOU ARE GUILTY OF,
OR HAVE THE POPE ADDRESS YOU PERSONALLY? AND WHEN DID YOU GIVE AN EXCLUSIVE
RELIGIOUS MONOPOLY TO A SINGLE PERSON?

HOW DO YOU KNOW NO ONES KNOWS "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?"
OR IS THAT ANOTHER OF YOUR GLIB EASY ANSWERS?

CANT YOU WACK OFF DIFFERENTLY INSTEAD OF HARASSING PEOPLE WITH YOUR WEAK
PSEUDO-intellect TRASH?
--
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Post by Mani Deli
Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?
No one knows.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Also, the big bang isn't interested in your sex life or requires a
pope.
David V.
2005-05-19 16:12:38 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
AND WHEN DID YOU HEAR GOD ACCUSE YOU OF THOSE PERVERSIONS YOU
ARE GUILTY OF....
From you. Did you know that posting in all caps is considered
rude? No one will take you seriously if you post in all caps.
Have you ever tried actually discussing this with anyone? Or are
you just stuck yelling at everyone?
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-20 06:12:36 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
AND WHEN DID YOU HEAR GOD ACCUSE YOU OF THOSE PERVERSIONS YOU ARE GUILTY
OF....
From you. Did you know that posting in all caps is considered
rude? No one will take you seriously if you post in all caps.
Have you ever tried actually discussing this with anyone? Or are
you just stuck yelling at everyone?
Dave
You complain about the religious being in peoples' sex lives while you try
to dictate everything including punctuation and CAPS

ASSHOLE I'll take the religious assholes over your stupid shit no one tells
me how to speak in public AND STILL GET LAID AND HAVE DRINK EVERY NOW AND
THEN CAUSE WHO NEEDS YOUR PATHETIC PUNK ASS.

~A~
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David V.
2005-05-20 16:45:01 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
AND WHEN DID YOU HEAR GOD ACCUSE YOU OF THOSE PERVERSIONS
YOU ARE GUILTY OF....
From you. Did you know that posting in all caps is
considered rude? No one will take you seriously if you post
in all caps. Have you ever tried actually discussing this
with anyone? Or are you just stuck yelling at everyone? Dave
You complain about the religious being in peoples' sex lives
while you try to dictate everything including punctuation and
CAPS
No, netiquete does that, not me. It is considered yelling, and
rude to post in all capital letters.

When you stop the yelling and post something of any
intelliegence, You'll get nice replies from others. Play nice and
you'll be treated nice. Act as you are now and everyone will
think you're a fool.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-19 07:05:02 UTC
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OKAY SMART ASS BEING THAT YOU ARE SO DISHONEST YOU ARE NOTHING MORE.

DEFINE COMPREHESIVELY THE TERMINOLOGY YOU USE ESPECIAL "GOD", "SCIENTIFIC
THEORY", "the big bang"
AND THE DEFINITIVE BASIS OF THAT TERMINOLOGY
BECAUSE AS A TROLL YOU HAVE NONE

~A~
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Dave
David V.
2005-05-19 16:06:04 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
OKAY SMART ASS BEING THAT YOU ARE SO DISHONEST YOU ARE NOTHING
MORE.
You are the god believer, not me. You are the dishonest one, not me.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-20 00:11:35 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
OKAY SMART ASS BEING THAT YOU ARE SO DISHONEST YOU ARE NOTHING MORE.
You are the god believer, not me. You are the dishonest one, not me.
TO BEAVIS BUTTHEAD DAVE:

WHAT YOU DO IS HARASSING TANTAMOUNT TO HATE CRIME PUNISHABLE UNDER US
FEDERAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW

WHY YOU CAN'T EVER PROPERLY QUOTE ANYONE (INCLUDING ME YOU ARE SEEN BY OTHER
ATHEISTS AS A FEEBLE IDIOT PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT BUT INSTEAD ARE PREMEDIATED).

NOR CAN YOU PUT WHAT ANYONE (AND I) SAYS IN A COMPLETE AND PROPER CONTEXT,
AND SOCIOPATHICLY ARE REQUIRED TO SPEW PATHOLOGICALLYS LIE ON MOST ISSUES
(if not all issues)?
Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
ONE DOESNT NEED A SUPERNATURAL GOD TO SEE....
You are so right. One does not need a supernatural god and those
that do are blinded by that god.
I NEVER CLAIMED BELIEF OR CREDIBILITY IN ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL ITS FUNNY
THAT YOU COULDN'T GET THAT RIGHT
Post by David V.
I find it funny
YOU'D FIND PEOPLE DYING AND GETTING MAIMED FUNNY
Post by David V.
that you have to personally attack those that do not believe in your gods
I NEVER ATTACKED ANYONE UPON MY POSTING to the alt.deism,
alt.religion.deism, soc.religion.agnostic, talk.philosophy.humanism news
groups (and other news groups) ANNOUNCING A DEIST FORUM.


"X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6ayce.283$***@trndny07...
TEMPLE OF REASON < click here (https://zito.biz/ssl)

New Deist educational forum and secured site (free) with complete service
provision and content development
YOU INSTITUTED A CONTINUED CAMPAIGN OF HARRASSMENT AND ATTACKS ON ME BY YOUR
Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
*TEMPLE OF REASON*
Can't be much reasoning going on if you still believe in gods and
their ilk.
I find it funny
of actually posting some sort of an almost intelligent reply
WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THE BASICS RIGHT BY YOUR SAYING THAT
Post by David V.
then exactly what you are doing is exactly what is expected of
rude, ignorant, arrogant, christians like you
Dave
TO WHICH AT THIS POINT I FEEL MYSELF ENTITLE THE LIBERTY OF TELLING YOU
YOU DEAR STUPID ASSHOLE I AM NOT CHRISTIAN HELLO YOU STUPID FUCK AS THE SIGN
SAYS "TEMPLE OF REASON (DEIST)" (but you never learned how to read [WE CAN
ALL TELL THAT])

BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEISTS ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES BLINDED BY THEIR DOGMA AND
RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES ATHEISTS,
HUMANISTS AND OTHERS THE LIKES OF WHICH ARE YOU.

~A~
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David V.
2005-05-20 01:51:58 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
OKAY SMART ASS BEING THAT YOU ARE SO DISHONEST YOU ARE
NOTHING MORE.
You are the god believer, not me. You are the dishonest one,
not me.
If you want to be taken seriously, drop the act and the caps.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
Mani Deli
2005-05-19 22:17:57 UTC
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:05:02 GMT, "X-file"
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
OKAY SMART ASS BEING THAT YOU ARE SO DISHONEST YOU ARE NOTHING MORE.
DEFINE COMPREHESIVELY THE TERMINOLOGY YOU USE ESPECIAL "GOD", "SCIENTIFIC
THEORY", "the big bang"
AND THE DEFINITIVE BASIS OF THAT TERMINOLOGY
BECAUSE AS A TROLL YOU HAVE NONE
Bulletin of the Southern Institute for Advanced Theological Studies
March 4

"It appears that God had a very tiny penis which was not large
enough to penetrate. . However it worked like a spray can which
ejected a strong blast of god sperm. After Mary carried the holy
embryo to term, god came down and preformed a C-section. This clearly
explains how the holy vagina remained pure and undisturbed."

Hugo von Hackenbush
Dr. Theological Gynecology,

I'm not much of a scientist but that spray can was a big bang. For the
other terms you'll have to ask von Hackenbush.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-20 00:11:35 UTC
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What does what you write have to do with me?
Post by Mani Deli
On Thu, 19 May 2005 07:05:02 GMT, "X-file"
Bulletin of the Southern Institute for Advanced Theological Studies
March 4
"It appears that God had a very tiny penis which was not large
enough to penetrate. . However it worked like a spray can which
ejected a strong blast of god sperm. After Mary carried the holy
embryo to term, god came down and preformed a C-section. This clearly
explains how the holy vagina remained pure and undisturbed."
~A~
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"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-20 06:03:51 UTC
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Post by David V.
Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
What is the difference between god and the big bang?
Gods are myths while the "big bang" is a scientific theory.
Dave
YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A SNOT NOSE BASTARD!
~A~
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g***@hotmail.com
2005-05-21 08:31:38 UTC
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
[...]
"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?"
and "What is the difference between god and the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask? To ask such questions is to imply
that the answers are important, and they aren't.
David V.
2005-05-21 16:31:56 UTC
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Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come from?"
and "What is the difference between god and the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we progress.
Asking the question is the important part. The answers would just
give us more questions to ask.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
g***@hotmail.com
2005-05-21 17:35:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come from?"
and "What is the difference between god and the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer anytime soon, or
perhaps ever, so don't pretend that these are critical questions that
need to be pondered now.
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we progress.
Asking the question is the important part. The answers would just
give us more questions to ask.
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and that's what
this is. Asking such questions does not lead to an attainment of
knowledge.
David V.
2005-05-21 18:43:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?" and "What is the difference between god and the
big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer anytime
soon, or perhaps ever, so don't pretend that these are
critical questions that need to be pondered now.
You did not answer my question. How do you KNOW! Are you
prescient? Omniscient? Because some think that the answers are
unobtainable you think we should just give up and say "goddidit"?
That's not any way to answer questions or advance our knowledge
on any topic.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we
progress. Asking the question is the important part. The
answers would just give us more questions to ask
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and
that's what this is. Asking such questions does not lead to an
attainment of knowledge.
It leads to the search for the answers. Even is the answer is
unobtainable it is the quest for the answer that leads to more
questions and answers to those questions. A search that you don't
want to take. We have made no progress through religion or god
beliefs. Actually, they have been a deterrent, as you have shown,
to progress.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
g***@hotmail.com
2005-05-22 02:58:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?" and "What is the difference between god and
the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer
anytime soon, or perhaps ever, so don't pretend that
these are critical questions that need to be pondered
now.
You did not answer my question. How do you KNOW! Are you
prescient? Omniscient? Because some think that the answers
are unobtainable you think we should just give up and say
"goddidit"? That's not any way to answer questions or
advance our knowledge on any topic.
Listen to yourself. Should I worry endlessly about my salvation into a
supposed "afterlife" just because someone claims that the question of
personal salvation is due serious consideration -- because all
questions are due respect? All questions are not equal. Some questions
are pointless. Some have no plausible paths to a solution. Some are
based on flawed premises.
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we
progress. Asking the question is the important part. The
answers would just give us more questions to ask
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and
that's what this is. Asking such questions does not lead to
an attainment of knowledge.
It leads to the search for the answers. Even if the answer is
unobtainable it is the quest for the answer that leads to more
questions and answers to those questions. [...]
No, some questions are worthless. Are you proposing that the question
"What is the difference between god and the big bang?" be taken
seriously? Are you ready to fund this research with your tax dollars?
David V.
2005-05-22 05:16:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?" and "What is the difference between god and
the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer
anytime soon, or perhaps ever, so don't pretend that these
are critical questions that need to be pondered now.
You did not answer my question. How do you KNOW! Are you
prescient? Omniscient? Because some think that the answers
are unobtainable you think we should just give up and say
"goddidit"? That's not any way to answer questions or
advance our knowledge on any topic.
Listen to yourself. Should I worry endlessly about my
salvation into a supposed "afterlife" just because someone
claims that the question of personal salvation is due serious
consideration -- because all questions are due respect? All
questions are not equal. Some questions are pointless. Some
have no plausible paths to a solution. Some are based on
flawed premises.
Yes, any answer that ends in a god is based on a flawed
premise.... and that's exactly where you, a deist, wants the
answers to stop at. But the question wasn't about "salvation" or
"afterlife" now was it? It was about questions you don't want
answered.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we
progress. Asking the question is the important part.
The answers would just give us more questions to ask
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and
that's what this is. Asking such questions does not lead
to an attainment of knowledge.
It leads to the search for the answers. Even if the answer
is unobtainable it is the quest for the answer that leads to
more questions and answers to those questions. [...]
No, some questions are worthless. Are you proposing that the
question "What is the difference between god and the big
bang?" be taken seriously? Are you ready to fund this research
with your tax dollars?
Nice strawman.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
g***@hotmail.com
2005-05-22 17:02:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?" and "What is the difference between god and
the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer
anytime soon, or perhaps ever, so don't pretend that these
are critical questions that need to be pondered now.
You did not answer my question. How do you KNOW! Are you
prescient? Omniscient? Because some think that the answers
are unobtainable you think we should just give up and say
"goddidit"? That's not any way to answer questions or
advance our knowledge on any topic.
Listen to yourself. Should I worry endlessly about my
salvation into a supposed "afterlife" just because someone
claims that the question of personal salvation is due serious
consideration -- because all questions are due respect? All
questions are not equal. Some questions are pointless. Some
have no plausible paths to a solution. Some are based on
flawed premises.
Yes, any answer that ends in a god is based on a flawed
premise.... and that's exactly where you, a deist, wants
the answers to stop at. But the question wasn't about
"salvation" or "afterlife" now was it? It was about questions
you don't want answered.
Why do you want to presume that I am a Deist? My position is that many
questions do not merit attention or respect. Your position seems to be
that all questions should be treated respectfully.
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we
progress. Asking the question is the important part.
The answers would just give us more questions to ask
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and
that's what this is. Asking such questions does not lead
to an attainment of knowledge.
It leads to the search for the answers. Even if the answer
is unobtainable it is the quest for the answer that leads to
more questions and answers to those questions. [...]
No, some questions are worthless. Are you proposing that the
question "What is the difference between god and the big
bang?" be taken seriously? Are you ready to fund this research
with your tax dollars?
Nice strawman.
Maybe you should go back to the beginning of this thread and find
whatever it is that you are arguing for or against.
David V.
2005-05-22 17:32:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Why do you want to presume that I am a Deist? My position is
that many questions do not merit attention or respect. Your
position seems to be that all questions should be treated
respectfully.
Apparently you do not understand my position, and do not want to.
I don't see how I could be of any further help to you. Sorry.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-26 02:06:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
[...] "Where did the universe and the big bang come
from?" and "What is the difference between god and
the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask?
How do you know they are unknowable?
Because there is no plausible way to obtain an answer
anytime soon, or perhaps ever, so don't pretend that these
are critical questions that need to be pondered now.
You did not answer my question. How do you KNOW! Are you
prescient? Omniscient? Because some think that the answers
are unobtainable you think we should just give up and say
"goddidit"? That's not any way to answer questions or
advance our knowledge on any topic.
Listen to yourself. Should I worry endlessly about my
salvation into a supposed "afterlife" just because someone
claims that the question of personal salvation is due serious
consideration -- because all questions are due respect? All
questions are not equal. Some questions are pointless. Some
have no plausible paths to a solution. Some are based on
flawed premises.
Yes, any answer that ends in a god is based on a flawed
premise.... and that's exactly where you, a deist, wants
the answers to stop at. But the question wasn't about
"salvation" or "afterlife" now was it? It was about questions
you don't want answered.
Why do you want to presume that I am a Deist? My position is that many
questions do not merit attention or respect. Your position seems to be
that all questions should be treated respectfully.
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Post by David V.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
To ask such questions is to imply that the answers are
important, and they aren't.
The attainment of knowledge is important. That's how we
progress. Asking the question is the important part.
The answers would just give us more questions to ask
We make no progress by alchemy or armchair philosophy, and
that's what this is. Asking such questions does not lead
to an attainment of knowledge.
It leads to the search for the answers. Even if the answer
is unobtainable it is the quest for the answer that leads to
more questions and answers to those questions. [...]
No, some questions are worthless. Are you proposing that the
question "What is the difference between god and the big
bang?" be taken seriously? Are you ready to fund this research
with your tax dollars?
Nice strawman.
Maybe you should go back to the beginning of this thread and find
whatever it is that you are arguing for or against.
EXECELLENT POINT HE DOESN'T KNOW DOES HE?
AS HE SO ABUSIVELY EDITS THINGS TO TAKE THEM OUT OF CONTEXT TO SUIT HIS
SECULAR FUNDAMENTALISM WITHOUT REPECT TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OR ISSUES ONE
CAN NOT TELL CAN ONE?

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David V.
2005-05-26 05:42:21 UTC
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EXECELLENT.....
Drop the all caps.
--
Dave

....If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
"X-file" <andrew_zito@yahoo.co.uk>
2005-05-26 02:06:18 UTC
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YOU didn't edit your post correctly so I've taken the liberty to do it for
you only extrapolating what you said. TO which I respond what you say is
TRUE BUT completely unresponsive on the points raised in question.
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Listen to yourself. Should I worry endlessly about my salvation into a
supposed "afterlife" just because someone claims that the question of
personal salvation is due serious consideration -- because all
questions are due respect? All questions are not equal. Some questions
are pointless. Some have no plausible paths to a solution. Some are
based on flawed premises.
***
Post by g***@hotmail.com
No, some questions are worthless
SO why do you ask the one you ask?
Post by g***@hotmail.com
Are you proposing that the question
"What is the difference between god and the big bang?" be taken
seriously? Are you ready to fund this research with your tax dollars?
I don't have to spend a single penny for I already have my own conclusions.

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2005-05-26 02:06:18 UTC
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YOU SAY IN CONJECTURE!
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[...]
"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?"
and "What is the difference between god and the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask? To ask such questions is to imply
that the answers are important, and they aren't.
EVERYTHING CAN NOT BE ABSTRACT FOR THEN THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
ABSTRACTION!

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"Where did the universe and the big bang come from?"
and "What is the difference between god and the big bang?"
These are unknowable, so why ask? To ask such questions is to imply
that the answers are important, and they aren't.
THEN WHY DO YOU PROVIDE THEM? MERELY TO DO WHAT?

THE OPINION EVERYTHING IS AN OPINION IS AN OPINION!
EVEN LUNATICS LIKE YOU HAVE AND EXPRESS THEM!

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2005-05-20 06:03:51 UTC
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"Ron Peterson" <***@shell.core.com> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
***
Post by Ron Peterson
How do you know what is the correct path?
Ron
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE CORRECT PATH?

GOD = THE ESSENCE OF ALL THAT WHICH IS TRUE GOOD AND LIVING
PANTHEIST = BELIEF IN GOD AS IT IS MANIFESTED AS NATURE
DEIST = PERCEPTIONS OF RATIONAL BELIEF CENTERED ON GOD
MONOTHEIST = BELIEF IN ONE UNIVERSAL ENTITY CALLED GOD
SCIENTIFIC = MATERIALIST BELIEF BASED ON EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

SCIENTIFIC+MONOTHEIST+PANTHEIST+DEIST=
BELIEF IN THE ESSENCE OF ALL THAT WHICH IS TRUE GOOD AND LIVING BASED ON
AS IT IS MANIFESTED IN NATURE AND PERCEIVED THRU RATIONAL BELIEF CENTERED UNIVERSAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND MATERIAL BASIS.

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David V.
2005-05-20 16:52:59 UTC
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Post by Ron Peterson
How do you know what is the correct path?
*SCIENTIFIC+MONOTHEIST+PANTHEIST+DEIST=* BELIEF IN THE ESSENCE
OF ALL THAT WHICH IS TRUE GOOD AND LIVING BASED ON AS IT IS
MANIFESTED IN NATURE AND PERCEIVED THRU RATIONAL BELIEF
CENTERED UNIVERSAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AND MATERIAL BASIS.
Again, drop the all caps. It's rude and harder to read than the
normal usage.

A rational belief is based on evidence. Deism is not, it is a
position held in spite of the evidence. There is no evidence for
a god, or gods. Just because you think you see patterns and such
that lead you to believe a god of some kind created all this does
not mean it's true.
--
Dave

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ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones - Carl Sagan, 1987.
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2005-05-26 02:06:17 UTC
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YOU SAY IN CONJECTURE!
Post by Ron Peterson
The truth about deism is that deism was made up entirely by man.
Yes. All religions are.
That seems like a reasonable hypothesis.
*** snip

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Facilitator Peter
2005-05-13 22:14:44 UTC
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Perhaps you may enjoy this Church. Facilitator Peter
www.thechurchofthelivingwordofgod.net
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The truth about deism is that deism was made up entirely by man.
Yes. All religions are.
I disagree. Not necessarily for like the laws of Nature (Pantheist there
are Pantheist Deists) (the laws of "God" [the Big Kahuna, The Boss, etc])
are hard wired into into the fabric of Time and Space, Blood and Soul as
much as anything if not more so.
It came into existance when scientist couldn't dispprove that there was a
God that created the universe.
No Scientists can not disprove "God that created the universe" nor that
"God" wasn't "the universe", nor can Theists disprove that the "Universe
created God"
NO, that would be an agnostic, no proof one way or the other. Deists
believe in God.
You say "Deists believe in God." you don't say Deists prove beyond a shadow
of doubt that there is "a god" , and frankly the terminology is most often
archaic and primitive.
Yet at the same time they couldn't see him in their everyday life, thus
they thought
that he just left
Wrong I see God in the fact I am still alive and sane in what rationally may
be considered a miracle though I do not in any shape or form in the
Supernatural magic etc.
Deists don't believe god runs around fathering children like Zeus. Or
whispering secrets into the ear of a chosen few. Some Deists hope God is
still hanging around and will throw a lightening bolt at people they don't
approve of, but they don't ask. God doesn't like suck-ups.
I dont know to prove your point these were poor examples you gave.
I find "god" speaks thru "the nature of all that which is god" to whisper in
my ear alone perhaps though not as an old man with long white beard in some
mysterious fashion.
As a Deist I find living in the correct path produces good results, and that
traveling on the wrong path cause those who transverse it completely to fall
off its edges resulting in harm injory and death so in that sense you are
wrong "god"'s rules do produce results weither that means living in
moderation or excess. But you are right I dont ask "god" to throw lightning
bolts because it doesn't work that way for there are many evil that should
of been destroyed long ago and weren't but should of been, that it would of
been nice if it had been, or could be, and we can always in futility hope.
There are those issues of commonality and the personal it is the nature of
existence.
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Post by "X-file" <***@yahoo.co.uk>
[...]
Deists don't believe god runs around fathering children
like Zeus. Or whispering secrets into the ear of a chosen
few. Some Deists hope God is still hanging around and
will throw a lightening bolt at people they don't approve
of, but they don't ask. God doesn't like suck-ups.
I find "god" speaks thru "the nature of all that which
is god" to whisper in my ear alone perhaps though not as an
old man with long white beard in some mysterious fashion.
Deism seems to be as rational as a religion can be, and as much
religion as anyone should need. Gawd is out there somewhere. Period. No
further fluffery or storytelling beyond that.
Though I disagree and many years of wat I am incline to agree with you (for peace sake)
I am sorry to report unfortunately people leave it at that one way or another as the sectarian dogmatists (not everyone who believes in dogmas is sectarian) are attacking from all perspectives left, right, center, liberal, orthodox etc and it is incumbant on rational minds to prevail overwhelmingly.

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